“Wow, I think I’m getting news that the The Zeitgeist Movement and The Venus Project have had a split of some sort??? [2 B Confirmed]” twitter: https://twitter.com/Gharr_home/status/62235356644384768
“…The Venus Project would like to thank The Zeitgeist Movement for its valuable contributions in regards to raising awareness of the work of Jacque Fresco. At this time The Venus Project feels it is important to integrate the activism under the aegis of The Venus Project in order to work on specific projects directly related to its aims and direction. Therefore the two organizations are now moving forward autonomously…” [source: http://www.thevenusproject.com/, originally accessed May 2011]
Note: the website has changed often, and the information no longer exists in the original location (or may not exist at all within the website).
Emotions ran high during the split.
“We should calm down, and start moving forward, and possibly have more of an open source approach to a Resource Based Economy. The Zeitgeist Movement has a great opportunity to go in new directions” ~ a comment by The Zeitgeist Movement member, April 2011
There was a lot of anger towards the Zeitgeist Movement (and The Venus Project as they were seen as the same thing) on the social networks, and that may have also been a part of the reason for the split. There was a feeling that the Zeitgeist Movement went overboard with criticizing the government. The Venus Project has been more low key about the shock value of criticizing governments, but has mentioned the monetary system is failing, and politicians are unlikely to come up with a solution to the world’s major problems (such as war, hunger, unnecessary human suffering, and so on). A lot of people in 2017 for example are aware of automation, robots, and autonomous cars and thus the loss of jobs., and without jobs people might need a universal basic income or some other way to support themselves. In the 2017 the video called “Peter Joseph Interview, Defining The Zeitgeist Movement” it mentions there will be a focus on solutions.
🌎 Awakening Full movie by Douglas Mallette [video]: https://youtu.be/nOO_AVwfZ9Q ❧
🌎 Douglas Mallette On The Zeitgeist Movement And The Venus Project Split: The video was taken down for some reason, and is no longer available.
The basics of what the video discussed:
“Every aerospace engineer knows what the resource based economy is because that is exactly the system that would be necessary to live on another planet. There’s no money there and you have to automate as much stuff as you can. The Venus Project does not have some kind of monopoly on this idea… because this idea has always been part of space exploration and development from a very long time ago.
“It does not matter what flag you fly on your ship. What matters is what direction your ship is going, regardless of if it’s The Venus Project, Atlas or AREBETH(?), invent your own group if you have to. The goal is the same [and that is to move] towards a resource based economy.
“[… he goes into details about his own company that is designed to produce food for the whole world at the lowest cost possible…]
“Regardless of if it’s The Venus Project or the Zeitgeist movements fault, both organizations have not been communicating properly with each other and now […the relationship between them has completely] fallen apart. And you know what… that happens.
“But you have to ask your self: does The Venus Project and the Zeitgeist Movements split really make any difference to the direction you want to drive your ship?
“[we need a resource based economy and we will continue to need one even if The Venus Project or the Zeitgeist Movement cease to exist. Don’t stop making an effort to make the resource based economy come into existence just because of these two organizations].”
🔶 The FAQ section of the Zeitgeist Movement is quite interesting to read: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/faq ❧
🔶 The Zeitgeist Movement RBEM name was used instead of RBE: http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/faq#faq5 ❧
🌎 Why did The Venus Project part ways with The Zeitgeist Movement? [video]: http://youtu.be/zJbRM46tltI ❧
🔶 The Zeitgeist Movement Orientation: http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/orientation ❧
Mar 15, 2013:🔶 Peter Joseph and Cenk Uygur: The Zeitgeist Movement Interview TYT [Interview]: https://youtu.be/vCQGbO7K3EQ ❧
Sep 2, 2012: 🌎 Jacque Fresco – The Venus Project | London Real [interview]: https://youtu.be/42RYbA_3ImU ❧
Many at The Venus Project were starting to wonder if there will ever be (or there currently is) another great, inventive, and creative person like Jacque Fresco.
Jacque Fresco in the interview mentioned above, clearly states there are no leaders at The Venus Project, and there are no creative people–indicating that there are already quite a few
creative people in The Venus Project (and in this world) that can make improvement on designs, just as he has done throughout his life; and could make this world a better place (by designing better systems for our world’s populations–world community—to work with, like the resource based economy for example). He also mentions in the interview, that if we feel we can’t do what he does, it may be the fault of the education system—that does not allow us to explore this world, and actively get involved with problem solving; because we have rules like “kids are not allowed to touch aircraft engines.” The author (of this article and update) also feels this “no touch rule” often exists among adults, and it can hold us back from solving problems in this world—and at really taking a good hard look at what The Venus Project can really offers us. Jacque Fresco is showing us that the “good hard look” might also include checking ourselves out, and realizing that we are capable of doing much more than we might realize.
📌 Independent Groups: some people split from The Venus Project, and Zeitgeist Movement, and worked independently towards a Resource Based Economy in their own way.
🌎 Peter Joseph | Economic Calc. in a Natural Law (The Zeitgeist Movement) [video]: https://youtu.be/bUDgfdy53Kc ❧
🔶 Amazing #TZM: THE P2P FOUNDATION: http://wiki.p2pfoundation.net/Peter_Joseph_on_Economic_Calculation_in_Resource-Based_Economics “Economic Calculation in RBE” by Peter Joseph: , https://youtu.be/jdZLL4UJOBE o_o #WOW
The above shows that the Zeitgeist Movement is a respected source for the P2P Foundation.
The Venus Project does not get the same level of respect from the P2P Foundation or the founder Michel Bauwens https://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-venus-project-as-old-futurism/2008/10/23, https://twitter.com/mbauwens/status/838476794084933632
Is Peter Joseph more of a engineer-economist now: https://youtu.be/jdZLL4UJOBE, rather then a inventor like Jacque Fresco. If that is the case, Peter Joseph may be more capable of approaching a Resource Based Economy using the political system right now. However if the system is not ready to change, Peter Joseph may meet with considerable resistance. On the other hand Jacque Fresco may feel that automation, monetary collapse, and global problems may force a move to a Resource Based Economy, and so he must wait for such times to arrive.
The exact paths The Venus Project (such as an early Resource Based Test City) and the Zeitgeist Movement (changing the economy, and political changes possibly) take still remains to be seen, a lot is happening in the world during 2017.
🔶 Peter Joseph Interview, Defining The Zeitgeist Movement [Interview]: https://youtu.be/PE26ny7cZ50 ❧
It is mentioned above that The Venus Project website has changed over time, and some information seems to have been lost to the public. For those who support The Venus Project and share the information about a Resource Based Economy to other people in this world, they need a good reference library, and materials that help explain what The Venus Project, and a Resource Based Economy is.
🌎 Introduction to a Resource Based Economy [details]: https://youtu.be/_EkMjTnWk14 ❧
- The Split by TZM: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/zmglobal/2011/04/20/april-20th–the-zm-global-radio–with-federico-pistono?
- Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement split [talk]: https://youtu.be/ef8VzYXMgj0 #Emotional #Time
This website was last edited 2017
Shortened link to article: 🌎 News – The Venus Project and The Zeitgeist Movement Split Official [article]: http://wp.me/p10Tww-mm